
Most founders and CEOs think about generational differences as a culture issue — something HR deals with, or a friction point that smooths itself out over time. Giselle Kovary would tell you that’s exactly the wrong frame.
Giselle is the Head of Learning and Development at Optimus SBR and the co-founder of NGen, a generational intelligence consultancy she built over 19 years before its acquisition in 2022. She’s spent more than two decades researching how different generations work, lead, communicate, and disengage — and she has the data to quantify what getting it wrong actually costs.
On this episode of The Next Moves, Joe sat down with Giselle to unpack the real mechanics of generational friction: where it shows up, what it’s costing your organization, and what leaders can do about it.
The generational conversation has been happening for decades. What’s changed is the stakes. With five generations in the workforce simultaneously, and return-to-office accelerating the tension, the cost of getting this wrong keeps going up.
Listen to the full episode featuring Giselle Kovary and explore more episodes with founders, CFOs, and senior operators on The Next Moves.
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